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Neil Chapman and Steve Claydon
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March - 15 April 2001
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Neil Chapman and Steve Claydon have been
producing work in collaboration over a period of three years. Their
collaborative practice explores the generative potential of the
flaw - testing ways in which imperfection contributes towards
productivity in art and writing. Their concerns correspond to findings
in evolutionary theory: research has revealed that new attributes
developed by a particular species to help it establish itself alongside
competitors result from aberrations in genetic reproduction. Chapman
and Claydon interrogate how -in a similar way- errors in textual
information, the badly inscribed mark, and the misperception can
be viewed as phenomena which initiate a kind of unhindered production.
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Auto interview
09-03-01
I watched David Lynch's film, Dune
again the other night, on your recommendation. I have seen it before,
but some time ago. It's a film which seems flawed in many ways.
What do you like about it?
There is one scene which I like particularly;
when Paul Atreides (played by Kyle MacLachlan) and his mother meet
Stilgar, the leader of the Fremen on Arrakis. Stilgar is discussing
with members of his tribe what to do with these intruders. He speaks
in English, albeit with an accent. But there is one expression - a
kind of grunt - which could not easily be transcribed. The suggestion
is that this expression has meaning in the Framen language. This is
used in the film, one would imagine, in order to signify the idea
of tribal or primitive language. What's interesting is that the expression
happens only once in all the dialogue involving this group of people
in the film. It stands out as being odd.
Why should that be
interesting?
Well, it becomes an anomaly. It's an example
of something which appears, but which then somehow falls out with
the film's narrative structure in a very curious way. And the effect
is curious too. Rather than helping you in the natural - almost mechanical
- tendency to follow the film's narrative, it seems to encourage you
to deviate in your understanding of what is being presented - or even
to force you to deviate. A whole new trajectory appears. As a viewer,
you are compelled to follow this irrespective of the film's intended
line. Or the anomaly casts the narrative which you thought you had
comfortably in view, in an entirely different light.
Right, so what you
are identifying here is a way in which the film becomes productive
for the viewer in a way which was unintended by the director?
Well; yes, the quality is sudden, marvelous
productivity, but I don't think it was unintended by David Lynch.
I think he knew what he was doing. You can see the same kind of things
appearing in his later films when there is no question over his control
of the project. Dune was a film which he inherited as a project
when things went wrong for its previous director I think. It was a
career break for him - it was the chance to make a feature - even
if it perhaps wasn't the film he would have chosen to make at the
time. Looking at Dune now, in relation to his larger body of
work, it is possible to see that the kind of anomaly which appears
in Dune, cannot be dismissed simply as a mistake because Lynch's
approach to film making can be seen, increasingly, to rely on this
kind of thing.
A kind of 'happy
accident'?
No, it's more than that. Lynch has a way of
working which seems to operate far from equilibrium. I saw him interviewed
recently on the telly. He spoke about how, in each of his films, there
is an important scene. He refers to this as 'the eye of the duck'.
And he is quite cryptic in the way he talks about it. But it seems
to be a scene which somehow encapsulates the whole movie. The eye
of the duck is something like an exact replica in miniature of the
whole film, contained within the film - like a kind of homunculus
- a tiny parasitic twin. I'm not sure why he gives the phenomenon
this particular name.
Perhaps it relates
to gestalt psychology?
What? Joseph Jastrow's 'duck\rabbit' illustration?
That drawing which
Wittgenstein was so fond of, which can appear like a duck or like
a rabbit, depending on how you happen to look at it.
So this scene in Lynch's films is like the eye
of the duck/rabbit because it's an element which remains constant
- a kind of pivot around which the whole film revolves? I like that
idea. I wonder if the scene from Dune which you described is
'the eye of the duck' in that film?
That would make sense
if it is, like you suggested, a moment in the film where a whole
new film can suddenly, unexpectedly come into being for the viewer
in the same way as the illustration of the duck looking to the left
suddenly flips over to become a rabbit facing towards the right.
Someone spoke to me recently about a film in
which a similar phenomenon occurs. It is Neil Jordan's Mona Lisa.
There is a chase seen near the end of the film which takes place on
Brighton pier. The bad guys are chasing Bob Hoskins, who's also chasing
someone else. It's chaotic; stalls are getting knocked over, people
are being pushed out of the way. And right in the middle of this mayhem,
the shot lands on two midget-clowns who happen to be there on the
pier performing for an audience - doing some kind of magic trick or
something. As the main characters in the film all run by, the clowns
also start chasing and hitting each other, as if they are acting out
a miniature version of the scene, within the scene - or a miniature
version of the film within the film. It's quite profound.
The eye of the duck,
then, could be though of generally as anomalous. Its productive
nature is based on the fact that it is a contained world - a tiny
thing which, when it turns inside out, becomes the universe . .
.
. . . and subsequently contains the previous
world?
Perhaps.
I saw something else recently that made me think
along these lines. It was a video recording of Fischli and Weiss's
Der Lauf Der Dinge.
Fantastic.
It's an amazing piece. It gets better every
time you watch it. I think they made it originally for a kid's TV
programme. It's a bit like a domino-toppling experiment, but conducted
with old tyres, jugs of water, ramps and ladders. It is a piece which
is about the idea of 'continuum' I suppose - about cause and effect.
And what's interesting about it is the relative slowness and fastness
with which one thing leads to another. There are many places where
you imagine that the experiment is going to go wrong - the tyre seems
to be rolling off in the wrong direction, the firework is late going
off, and a break in the chain is going to appear but somehow the mechanism
keeps going.
That's true except
that there are edits in the film. So we don't really know when interventions
were made in order to keep the thing going. Actually, the edits
seem quite carefully hidden and that, I suppose, could be seen as
a bit suspicious. The camera tends to zoom in for a close shot of
foam bubbling up on the surface of a baking tray, or something like
that, so the cut is quite difficult to spot. Maybe judgments were
being made about the attention span of viewers watching the piece
on film.
I think that might be what's going on but
in any event, the edits strike me as being of some crucial importance
in the piece. And this relates back to the idea of the anomaly again.
Within the logic of the particular state of affairs that Fischli
and Weiss have set up, any film edit has to be anathema. And yet,
to think about the edit is to become aware of a whole possible world
of events which has taken place in this timeless gap - much in the
same way that the anomalous 'errors' in Lynch's film become moments
of potential. And Fischli and Weiss seem to make their own presence
apparent in this particular work in the most striking way. At the
same time, of course, they remain hidden.


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